Subject: Re: Somewhat disappointed NetBSD newbie
To: Zbigniew Baniewski <zb@ispid.com.pl>
From: Wouter Klouwen <dublet@dublet.org>
List: current-users
Date: 03/27/2005 17:21:44
Zbigniew Baniewski(zb@ispid.com.pl) said 2005.03.27 16:17:03 +0000:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 04:44:24PM +0200, Wouter Klouwen wrote:
> 
> > I have never had any of these problems. My $TERM is `xterm'.
> 
> xterm is for X11 - didn't you notice, that I was asked for console?

It works nonetheless.

> > This most likely depends upon badly created applications which assume one
> > terminal type.
> 
> Possible - but still I'm reporting a problem.

So you should report it to the authors of the applications.

> > Wow. You use moused? Have you not heard of X?
> 
> Have you heard of people preferring console mode?

What's the point of console if you want to use a mouse?

> > No. NetBSD comes standard with sh and csh. More then you'll ever need to get
> > pkgsrc and install your shell of choice. tcsh or bash by default would just
> > be bloat.
> 
> Any more functionality, than obsolete c-shell gives - "would just be bloat"?

I never use csh, I always use the sh which comes built it. It has most
functionality you need, although you need to enable some. (e.g. set -V, set
-E.)

> > > 12. xmradio utility seem to be broken
> > Hardly NetBSD's fault.
> 
> I don't know, whether it's system fault, or maintainer's fault - just
> reporting a problem, which needs to be fixed. Or perhaps it's "my problem"
> too?

Then report it to a maintainer who could help you, not a general mailing
list.

> > Configuration error. I suggest you read the xawtv documentation.
> 
> Read it already.

Then it should work. Xawtv works for me, although I've switched to fxtv.

> > Fixtv error.
> 
> ...which need to be fixed by NetBSD-package maintainer. And just because of
> this I wrote that.

Like I said, email them directly. This business has no use in a general
mailing list, which they'll probably not read.

> > Are you serious? pkgsrc may have it's difficulties, but to suggest such a
> > replacement?!
> 
> Why not replace that (perhaps still not-so-very-bad) system by the better
> one - when that better one is available?

I prefer pkgsrc, and I am not alone.

> > > 16. Does there exist any JRE for NetBSD (as plugin for Firefox) - but not
> > > for using in "linux-emulation mode"?
> > 
> > No. Blame Sun.
> 
> I'm not looking for anybody to blame - I'm looking for JRE.

And I'm saying there isn't one, because Sun only releases binaires for
certain popular platforms.

> > > 17. Perhaps somebody can tell me the way to transfer entire installed NetBSD
> > > from one hdd to another (it's installed together with FreeDOS and NetBSD
> > > bootmanager)? Or even better: to make copy on the CD - and to install it back
> > > from such backup-CD to other hdd?
> > 
> > dd.
> 
> dd? From - let's say - 6 GB hdd to 40 GB hdd, with quite different geometry?
> Thanks a lot for such "tip".

find and cpio. Although you must then not forget to install the proper MBR
on the new disk as well.

> Perhaps someone a little more experienced?
 
I have yet to see any questions or remarks specific to current-users. You
should be using netbsd-users.

> > This has been a flamish reply to flamish remarks.
> 
> You're only 50% right; yes, this was a flamish reply indeed

If you ask proper questions and direct them to the relevant receipients then
you might actually get serious answers.

> 						Zbigniew Baniewski
	--Wouter